N93 vs N92

[chaslam]

I know everyone is exited about the N93, however, I seem to think its a bit strange how nokia decided not to follow the N92. The N93 doesnt have a TV receiver, and it only has a 262K screen, where as the N92 has a 16 million colour screen, and a TV receiver.

To me, the only thing what seems different on the N93 is the extra megapixels on the camera, the auto focus and the optical zoom.

They have obviously decided not to put all their eggs in one basket, which I think they should have done to make a great all round phone.

[E616Vboy]

Perhaps they have put all their eggs in one basket. The N92 would be for people who take occasional (but good quality) pics and watch alot of TV on the move, and the N93 is for people who make alot of videos and want a phone aswell, although Nokia coulds have just got the best of most phones and put them together.

[chaslam]

And I think I have to say, In my opinion, the N93 looks very old fastioned. It reminds me of an old motorola, like this one http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_v60-298.php.

[E616Vboy]

ewwww:eek:

[chaslam]

Just when its shut I mean. I think it looks nice when its open.

[E616Vboy]

the eww was aimed at the Moto - I cant believe people bought it!

[fox]

They have obviously decided not to put all their eggs in one basket, which I think they should have done to make a great all round phone.

That's Nokia for you, they do it with all their phones. There wont ever be such thing as a phone that has everything (well from Nokia anyway)

[mobieg]

i would think that the n92 is delayed or cancelled because most countries do not have dvbh or whatever the standard is, i hear in germany that the world cup is being broadcast on the mobile standard.

[bavlondon]

Whats surprising about this launch is that Nokia have not specified a quarter in which they plan to ship the phone. Instead in the q&a session they specifically stated that they were confident of July release.

It seems the OS problem bug which was delaying a few phones has now been solved. Hence the n80 and n91 now out.

Another thing that seems to have been addressed is the price. Or should i say cut in price. The n90 was and still is a very expensive phone to get sim free and although you can get it on various web sites on contracts its generally not out in the main retailers. Well Nokia also said it wuld be 550 Euros which is slightly above average considering the k800 will be 400 Euros.

Im very intriged to see what the authoring softwarew is like as I already have Adobe Premiere. Its also nice to see optical zoom which is comething even the n90 lacked i think. If anyone interested in what the video quality is like on here take a look at one of my posts in another thread in the 3uk section.

I was considering the k800 but for me even the n73 would take that phone on. As for then93 though if you want all those things you have to take into consideration how feature rich it is. Early review state that there is no lag and navigaing around on both phones are very quick.


Check it out:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/nokia_nx3/index.php?p=9

[bavlondon]

i would think that the n92 is delayed or cancelled because most countries do not have dvbh or whatever the standard is, i hear in germany that the world cup is being broadcast on the mobile standard.

Im sure that major deals are already signed for chanels such as discovery for UK.

[chaslam]

Nice link bav. The N93 looks HUGE! If anyone has seen the N90 you will see how big it is, and then compare the N93 to it and it looks tiny!

Mind you, thinking of the functions that the N93 has, its not surpising. It could take over someones decent digital camera, video recorder and phone, so You cant complain.

The more pics I see of it the more I like it. I hated it at first. Its also promising we are seeing pre-release versions of the phone, which means it cant be THAT far off!

[bavlondon]

If Nokia are serious about a 550 Euro price then theoreically on contract it should cheaper (is it makes it to that). In that case i may just go for it.

Also remember guys both the n73 and n93 use a new type of battery which equals batery lifes on par if not in exess of SE.

Nokia are definatley stepping up.

[Moby]

That's Nokia for you, they do it with all their phones. There wont ever be such thing as a phone that has everything (well from Nokia anyway)So what companies do this then? Can you name some phones that have "everything"?

Its purely about marketing. There is no reason to create a phone that has everything because very few people want it. As already said those people that want TV will get N92, those that want camera excellence will get n93. But if you want a smaller phone then you'll get N73, etc etc. A phone with everything would be huge, power hungry, and incredibly expensive. No reason to develop such a thing with so little sales.

[bavlondon]

Nokia previously lacked autofocus but had great video capture. That coupled with poor battery life allowed SE to leapfrog Nokia but Nokia have added autofocus to both phones and improved battery life also. I think Nokia are going about the right way. Now if they can just stick to their quoted July release date then they can start getting some recognition again.

[chaslam]

So what companies do this then? Can you name some phones that have "everything"?

Its purely about marketing. There is no reason to create a phone that has everything because very few people want it. As already said those people that want TV will get N92, those that want camera excellence will get n93. But if you want a smaller phone then you'll get N73, etc etc. A phone with everything would be huge, power hungry, and incredibly expensive. No reason to develop such a thing with so little sales.

And thats exactly what the N93 is, huge and expensive (no one knows about battery life yet.

[bavlondon]

And thats exactly what the N93 is, huge and expensive (no one knows about battery life yet.

Battery life has been drastically improved

Nokia have imrpoved battery in this and the n73. You can see from the specs here aswell

n93; Li-Po 1100 mAh (BP-6M) 240 hours standby

i dont know though why they couldnt incorporate this in the n80, this is a tactical piece of marketing to keep customers waiting for the n93 is you ask me

n80; Li-Ion 820 mAh (BL-5B) 192 hours standby

[Moby]

i dont know though why they couldnt incorporate this in the n80, this is a tactical piece of marketing to keep customers waiting for the n93 is you ask meBecause its different size and shape.

[bavlondon]

Because its different size and shape.

I doubt the size is anything to do with it. Look at the k750.

[DeniseR]

i have been looking around at the new DVB-H technology on the web to find orange are already trialling this in France. With very few handsets out it would be difficult to tell whether it would take off. To be honest I would be interested. I like to watch tv in bed but dont have a tv in that room purely because what I like to watch is never on terrestrial and am not paying sky for multi room out of principle. Also a tv will upset the aesthetics of my room (thats a woman for you).

I am watching rok tv on my n70 whilst I have free subscription and free data and have been pleasantly surprised as I thought it would be a feature I would not use.

The ideas and the theory around the N92 and DVB-H have aroused my interest and I will watching what happens,

On comparing the N92 and N93, I would prefer the first, the screen is bigger at 2.8" and better pixels with 16 mil colours.

i have an N80 coming on Monday will try that out for a few months and when the n92 comes out I think that would be my phone of choice.

The size is longer important to me (it used to be), you have to look further into what features the phone is offering you and what your need are. After all people carry around PDAs without grumble as they need the features. i am more of a multi media person and that is where my interest lies.

[DeniseR]

Chaslam, any chance of a thread for discussion on the N92 in the near future as there isn't one at the mo

[E616Vboy]

Chaslam, any chance of a thread for discussion on the N92 in the near future as there isn't one at the mo

http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/forumdisplay.php?f=527

[DeniseR]

sorry what a dope i am, as everything about n80 in there stopped reading properly re the thread title

[E616Vboy]

No problems thats what we are here for:)

[bavlondon]

Good news. When i first heard about these phones I sighed and thought "AJuly release...yeah right try Xmas" Based on the delays experienced with the n91 and n80 Nokia were starting to lose credibility fast.

But the n93 has been FCC approved surprisingley quickly as it was only just announced last month. This is a clear indicator that the phone will be released soon and its looking like Nokia really will get it out in time for July.

A bit to bulky for me but I did have a a1000 so I guess I could adapt to the size..who knows.

Havent heard anything about the n92. That and the n71 seemed to have vanished. I know the n71 is available in many parts around Europe and Asia but not in the UK.

[DeniseR]

I have read somewhere that the n92 will be out this summer in parts of europe, but not the UK til sometime next year (sorry can't remember where I read it though)

[Moby]

FCC approval is not directly related to sales releases, although FCC will occur before sales. But the FCC only tests emissions etc, nothing to do with the actual software.

Having said that I still expect both N73 and N93 to be available in the time period that Nokia specified. Both are suprisingly stable at the moment.

[bavlondon]

Actually i heard that the n73 will be delayed due to processor issues.

the N73 is going to be available September due DRM 2.0 issues (as N91 had). BUT it might come earlier if marketing says so! Like N91 - it was released without DRM support and this support is planning to be later with new FW.
N93 should be on time.

The strength of the N73 is similar to that of the Nokia 3250, Nokia N91 hardware wise and presence of a CPU working at 314 Mhz on-board, while Nokia N80 is powered by an out-of-date CPU type, providing only 214 Mhz.

Im going to wait however long it takes but ill be getting the n93 for sure. Im just glad there are so many internet retailes now that do phones not evn the CPW have in stock.
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Although now you can get the n90 from most online retailers it wasnt available through CPW and the others. I think this was due to the price. I belive it was 1,170 EUR roughly which is sooo expensive for a phone but Nokia said at the Q and A session for the launch of the n93 that it would be 500-550 Euros, so adding VAT and the rest, it works out to 600 Euros, Thats a big difference and one maybe that will force the average phone retailers to take the phone up. Nokia seem intent on making 2006 theres. I think they may just do it with the n93 this year.

[Moby]

Actually i heard that the n73 will be delayed due to processor issues.Care to explain where you heard this from? I really hope you mention a real source because ....
The strength of the N73 is similar to that of the Nokia 3250, Nokia N91 hardware wise and presence of a CPU working at 314 Mhz on-board, while Nokia N80 is powered by an out-of-date CPU type, providing only 214 Mhz. .... this is complete crap. N93 is the only phone with the new processor, and the N80 "out-of-date" CPU is working fine.

[bavlondon]

Eldar at mobile review actually. And i never said that the N80's cpu wasnt working. I simply said the n73 hada faster more up to date CPU and that is what is experiencing problems. The n93 also has a new one but different to the 73.

[chaslam]

Bav is right. The N90 Processor is much faster than the N80 (by about 100mhz acually.

The figures above are correct. N80 runs at 214mhz, where the N91 runs at 314mhz. Still, dont let this put you off the phone.

[Moby]

Sorry but what you have said is simply not true, and what Eldar also said is not true. The N93 is the only phone with a new processor.

I'm not put off any of them ;) .... http://photobucket.com/albums/a85/moby_mburn/

[chaslam]

Im not saying anything about new or old because I dont know if thats true or not, but what Bav says is right about the speed of both the processors. The N91s Processor is indeed faster then the N80s.

[Moby]

OK. You can believe whatever you want but unless you want to open one up then you won't have any proof of the claims. All I can say to you is that N93 uses the OMAP 2420 processor, and all the other phones have been using the OMAP 1710 processor. There is absolutely no reason for any other phone than that N93 to use a faster processor. Its the only one that requires a faster speed for the video capability.
N91 is no quicker in terms of processor speed than the N80, and for certain speed tests the only thing that will make a difference to the results is the screen resolution, and thats why both the 3250 and the N91 "appear" to be quicker than the N80.

BTW: the 1710 processor is 220mhz, and the 2420 is 330mhz :)

Also the SE P990 runs at "only" 209mhz, and if fairly zippy in its UI speed. The overall speed of the new Nokia devices is improved by the new S60V3 Ui not use of new processors.

To quote from Mobile Review ... http://forum2.mobile-review.com//showpost.php?p=411219&postcount=88

OMAP is a family of System on Chips (SoCs) created for mobile phones by Texas Instruments. TI supply to the worlds leading handset manufacturers. They are the leading supplier to Nokia as well as the class leading FOMA 90xi series in Japan.

The OMAP2420 announced in 2004 first shipped in the NTT DoCoMo phones late last year. The N93 is the first Nokia phone to feature OMAP2420. Look out for even better OMAP2 and OMAP3 processors in the coming 6-18months. These processors will feature the most state of the art cutting edge features around. Forget about the most recent announcement of Nokia using ATI technology in their phones, this wont impact the high end as OMAP3 will dominate this end. Features such as DVD quality,12mp camera picture quality, 3D sound and 3D graphics provided by PowerVR MBX are just examples.

Now, if they N91 (or any of the other phones) had a 330mhz processor, why would the N93 be the first Nokia product to feature it?

[bavlondon]

Heres another interesting point.

N93 uses PowerVR 3D accelerator from Imagination Technology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR as well as SE P990 but thé one in the 93 is better

N93 - uses PowerVR MBX
P990i - uses PowerVR MBX Lite
PowerVR MBX Lite

MBX Lite provides fill rates exceeding 135 million pixels/sec and throughput of 1.7 million triangles/sec, from an ultra-small, ultra power-efficient core depending on setup.

PowerVR MBX

MBX provides fill rates in excess of 300 million pixels/sec and throughput of 3.7 million triangles/sec, from a very small, very power-efficient core depending on setup.

N93 has the following specs: CPU clock 300MHz, Bus speed 100MHz, Graphics core clock 50MHz http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?ID=609 which provides 2.36 million triangles/sec and 33.73 million pixels/sec as its GPU only has a 50 Mhz clock speed and the MBX supports clockspeeds up to 233 Mhz. N73 presumably only have the new ARM11 processor and not the PowerVR.

In comparison with the new Goforce 5500 which support 2.6M triangles per second and 200M pixels per second. Although it supports better video and camera cappabilities with for example real DVD video 720x480 @ 30fps or 720x576 @ 25fps while the PowerVR only supports DVD like video up to VGA 30 fps.

[chaslam]

It wouldnt suprise me if, after the N93 launch, their next handset will feature a High definition recorder and a 6 megapixel camera or something stupid.

[bavlondon]

It wouldnt suprise me if, after the N93 launch, their next handset will feature a High definition recorder and a 6 megapixel camera or something stupid.

Actually the Nokia n83 is shoots up to 5MP. Ill try find some pics and specs for you as i dont think its been announced yet by Nokia officially.

And as for High Def, well the memory demands for the VGA 30fps are demanding enough on the n93. 22MB per minute so i cant see how high def will be incorporated however with a hard drive like the n91 you never know how far of it really is.

SE may be the next though to have higher res video as it continues to bring back old labels to life. They done it with the Walkman logo and have done again it more recently with Cybershot. I think Handycam is next although the latter is purley my speculation.

Either way there are some interesting times ahead for us.

[chaslam]

Yes, I have seen the N83, however, I refuse to believe it until its offically announced. Probably best if we dont mention it, because people will start asking questions no one knows the answer to.

Im sure Hi def recording is less then 2 years away. I mean look at how fast technology is changing.

[bavlondon]

Yes, I have seen the N83, however, I refuse to believe it until its offically announced. Probably best if we dont mention it, because people will start asking questions no one knows the answer to.

Im sure Hi def recording is less then 2 years away. I mean look at how fast technology is changing.

Definatley. I just wish the Eurpeans could incorporate more of what the Asians use like finger print recognition key locking which is very common among Pantech phones and has been for the better part of 3 years.

I think there up to 12MP now in a phone although that phone looks like a brick. I sure High Def is right round the corner but for now the n93 has definately stepped up the bar as far as video goes.

It will be interesting to see if it makes it to normal retailers as the price has dropped greatly compared to when the n90 was released. 600 Euros including VAT isnt bad at all for SIM free comapred to £800 when th n90 came out.

On a contract it should only be a bit more pricey than the n91 or n80.

[caspre12]

i just emailed Nokia and asked when N92 is due for release in UK and they said "This handset is planned for release in the third quarter of 2006"

[bavlondon]

i just emailed Nokia and asked when N92 is due for release in UK and they said "This handset is planned for release in the third quarter of 2006"

Then the deals must have been sown up by now.

[DeniseR]

Then the deals must have been sown up by now.

That is what is planned. It seems that new phones tend to get pushed back. I had heard release was due in 2006 in europe and 2007 in the UK

[bavlondon]

Wow a whole year. I guess Nokia are going to push the phone where the demand is at the most right now.

And that sounds about right as you could look at Italy as an example having the world cup broadcasting with the LG U900.

Phones generally come out in Europe first anyway. I dont know what you guys think but tv on the go isnt that important to me. (for the time being anyway)