FW help

[N91woodman]

Heya guys,

Just registered to what looks to be an excellent forum you have here! I recently inherited a nokia N91 from a member of my family. The phone itself is working fine apart from the minor theme glitches and the occasional music upload glitch that are supposed to be common with the early firmware?

Basically, The phone is a UK vodafone branded one and whenever I try and use the Nokia update service it tells me there is no new F/W available to update. Am I right in thinking I should go to my nearest Nokia service centre and request for the phone to be flashed to the latest FW version, will many places offer this service? Do you guys really think a Firmware update will be beneficial to my phones performance?

Oh yeah and current FW is -
V1.00.028.34
29-03-06
RM-43

Any help will be appreciated.

Oli

[LabourPains]

Thats a problem many have had. what Nokia don't tell you is that you can't upgrade branded handsets via thier tool.

[N91woodman]

Originally Posted by LabourPains

what Nokia don't tell you is that you can't upgrade branded handsets via thier tool.

Aye, its a sneaky trick really..

[rudy7355]

Its a cunning marketing strategy adopted by most major companies to reap profits from their naive customers...simply a cunning trick!!!

In my case Im a victim of "Nokia's buggy N91's experiment"(as I call it to be).We are like guinea pigs to test their most unreliable product.In this case the over rated N91.A wonderfull and powerfull gadget...yet so unreliable and unstable for daily usage.

Guess what bro...Nokia isnt doing much to get things straight for the N91...so far...and they are going to start off with experimenting with the so called newly improved N91 8GB Music Edition. Read Thread!!! What the hell!!!

Is he or she who just bought the N91 are at the losing end???Are Nokia really connecting to their customers/people???Are we still going to have the patience to wait for the next sw/fw upgrade and be hopefull that the phone would be just fine???Please let me know dear Brothers and Sisters???

[N91woodman]

very very well summed up there rudy7355, I am extremely glad I didnt actually pay for this handset unlike some unfortunate individuals. Value for money seems to be very poor.

[music101]

Hi

Id say Nokia is doing something guys. They have issues 2.10 software, they have made it so you can update at home. They have updated user guides to help people

http://europe.nokia.com/A4158098
http://europe.nokia.com/A4213023
Just select english language

As for Vodafone at least at the Nokia discussion forum - its simple Vodafone took many many month sto approve 2.00 (let alone 2.10) and the stuff they add on the device makes the sw to big for the internet update (need to go to a Nokia centre). 2.10 = 2.00 + that sms accelerator thingy.

So they are doing something whether its enough is debatable of course

music

[PajaP]

Originally Posted by LabourPains

Very interesting ... can I ask, how does changing the product code impact whether you can or cannot flash the phone?

The product code is checked by the updater. If you have the wrong product code (or don't have the right product code) you don't get the firmware update.

Not quite sure how the program logic works.
It could be by using a list of product codes that are allowed to update.
Or the other way around, a list of product codes that are not allowed to update.

Guess they would check using whichever list is the shortest.

[LabourPains]

So is there any danger that by updating the product code you could completely screw the handset up?

[PajaP]

Originally Posted by LabourPains

So is there any danger that by updating the product code you could completely screw the handset up?

No, none that I am aware of and I have certainly not experienced any problems and never read of anyone that has.
The thing that stands most chance of screwing the phone up is the firmware update itself, (though if this were to happen it would not be a result of changing the product code). Not sure what would happen if you put in the wrong product code, maybe an N73 code in an N91 phone. I would think it would just not update as the software would see an invalid software version so would find no newer version.
Your network provider may see it as an excuse to invalidate your warranty if they were to notice it had been changed. I believe the best option here is to change the product code back to what it was previously, as soon as the update has finished. Though in all honesty this is unlikely to fool them as they are going to notice the different firmware before they look to the product code.

[N91 Guru]

hello there... ok first of all BAD IDEA... i dont care how much you hate nokia BAD IDEA.... changing the product code voids any warranty you have on the nokia device also if the update goes wrong you will be stuck with a stuffed up n91 that nokia does not have to repair even if you pay them.... changing it back doesnt help because nokia has systems that can tell when the phone was first booted up and if the date of modification is not the same then they void it and their software can also tell how many times its been modified.... please people these are big BIG companies you are trying to fool they have people from all round the world pulling this trick.... thats why they have measures as such to stop these people... dont think you can cheat them so easily...

secondly stop picking on nokia... specially when you dont know all the info about the product ive stated again and again and again that the only reson the software updater will not update your phone is because...

1. its branded and your brand company has not approved a higher firmware as of now...

2. it depends where you bought it from some countries have specific firmware available that other countries might not ever get...

3. where you phone is manufactured... more important than 2. but has the same reason...

NOW... stop picking on nokia gawd damit.... they only follow world guidelines made for mobiles... each is diffrent for each reagon/country... best examples the US dont allow 3G or WIFI... so its been taken out from the NOKIA N91-5 [GSM VERSION]....



Akash


also using NSS is highly NOT RECOMENDED.... its a 3rd party software THAT ILLEGALLY updates your phone... i know in todays world the word illegal means next to nothing but its still wrong to do...

[PajaP]

Originally Posted by N91 Guru

hello there... ok first of all BAD IDEA... i dont care how much you hate nokia BAD IDEA.... changing the product code voids any warranty you have on the nokia device also if the update goes wrong you will be stuck with a stuffed up n91 that nokia does not have to repair even if you pay them.... changing it back doesnt help because nokia has systems that can tell when the phone was first booted up and if the date of modification is not the same then they void it and their software can also tell how many times its been modified.... please people these are big BIG companies you are trying to fool they have people from all round the world pulling this trick.... thats why they have measures as such to stop these people... dont think you can cheat them so easily...

secondly stop picking on nokia... specially when you dont know all the info about the product ive stated again and again and again that the only reson the software updater will not update your phone is because...

1. its branded and your brand company has not approved a higher firmware as of now...

2. it depends where you bought it from some countries have specific firmware available that other countries might not ever get...

3. where you phone is manufactured... more important than 2. but has the same reason...

NOW... stop picking on nokia gawd damit

Who said anything about hating Nokia? Or picking on Nokia? "Damit"! <sic>
You should learn to read before you go mouthing off.

In this case the only reason the phone will not update is because it is branded.
We are all smart enough to know if it will not update for any other reason.
Your points '2' and '3' above, make no sense at all!

I dislike the individual operators that brand the phones, often causing problems in themselves. If not that, then not allowing newer firmware updates to go on that fix known issues. Meaning if you have a branded phone it may have a fault that is fixable by a firmware update. A firmware update you cannot use because of a product code that is easy to change.

So it may invalidate the warranty. It may not?
I seriously doubt that they know that the product code has been changed, if it has changed back to the original. They can tell the firmware has been updated but who is to say that it was not done by a Nokia Service centre!
Before NSS allowed me to change the product code this is want I used to do. Take it to a service centre and have them update it. They even told me they had to make changes to the phone that allowed them to update it to generic firmware. So maybe they also changed the product code. Who knows? Certainly not you!
Also, I have also returned a phone to my operator for repair 'After' a service centre unbranded it for me. They replaced it with no questions asked. I just had to unbrand he replacement.
Yes, they could have refused to replace it. I could have chosen to issue a court summons on them. In my real-world experience this is enough to make any and all _big_ companies change their minds. They have always settled in my favour out of court. it is a risk I would be prepared to take again if my phone needs repair and they refuse (because I have either changed the product code or updated the firmware). I think they would settle before it got to court.

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PajaP

[N91 Guru]

ok first of all the only reason i live is for finding ways to do things no one else has done and not getting caught... but in the end comming clean and improving a device/service... so i know nokia systems inside out... i know 4 people that work with nokia and ive discussed all these things...it doesnt make me and expert and i dont claim that in anyway, now i dont know about where you take your phone but here in my part of the world... they really couldnt care less what you do... and it also depends on who get in the centre im not from nokia and i really dont give a damn about them...

if you seriously doubt that fact that they will known if the product code has been changed or not... just wonder... if you change it bac you have a firmware not available for the device already i mean hello thats sort of a very obvious giveaway...

btw i totally agree with what your saying i hate branded phones too thats why i always cough up the extra cash to get a unbranded handset... because i see no point of getting a branded one...


you may want to read over 2 and 3 again... and if you still dont get it... all they are saving is that the firmware made available to you for your phone is also effected by where you bought it from and where it is manufactured... ie if you bought it from a parallel importer you might not have the same fw as everyone else... also a phone manufactured in lets say finland is diffrent to a phone manufactured in the US... thus again a diffrent firmware version is made available.... hope thats clearer to you...


also i think your the one whos not reading and mouthing off 4th comment in this topic... read over it will ya....



Akash

[PajaP]

Originally Posted by N91 Guru

if you seriously doubt that fact that they will known if the product code has been changed or not... just wonder... if you change it bac you have a firmware not available for the device already i mean hello thats sort of a very obvious giveaway...

Agreed. Would Nokia care. As I have said I have had a branded phone replaced under warranty, that was on contract and did have firmware on it that would not normally be available. The firmware update (before NSU existed) was done by a Nokia service centre. It was not even questioned.

Originally Posted by N91 Guru

btw i totally agree with what your saying i hate branded phones too thats why i always cough up the extra cash to get a unbranded handset... because i see no point of getting a branded one...

Yes, but some people cannot afford to buy a phone. A contract is a good way of getting one cheaply. I also have no objection to operators putting on some branding. So long as features are not removed or crippled or made so they cannot be disabled. Fine if the 'Brander' makes it clear they have done that in the advertisement for the phone. But they don't.
I also believe that the person who buys the phone should be allowed to remove the branding.

Originally Posted by N91 Guru

you may want to read over 2 and 3 again... and if you still dont get it... all they are saving is that the firmware made available to you for your phone is also effected by where you bought it from and where it is manufactured... ie if you bought it from a parallel importer you might not have the same fw as everyone else... also a phone manufactured in lets say finland is diffrent to a phone manufactured in the US... thus again a diffrent firmware version is made available.... hope thats clearer to you...

Oh, I get it. I just do not see the relevance. If someone knows there is a firmware available for their phone, they have issues with the phone that the firmware would fix, then should should be allowed to take advantage of it. This discussion (from myself) is covering that only.

Originally Posted by N91 Guru

also i think your the one whos not reading and mouthing off 4th comment in this topic... read over it will ya....
Akash

Again I see no relevance here. It appeared to me that you were replying to me and not to an earlier post. Maybe if you quoted...
Anyway I see no point in myself making further comment on this issue (in this forum). It is likely to be deleted if I make the comments I would like to.
Apologies to the admins for breaking the rules.

[N91 Guru]

so we both kinda agree on all those points up ter ^^^ kool.. oh n yea sorry about the last one its just catching up with the topic so gotta read it top to bottom you known... wont happen again so don wrry abt it...



Akash