View Full Version : Vodafone Offers Completely Transparent
Contrary to some nonsense posted in a deliberately mis-leading thread here you can find full details of the Vodafone tarriffs at their site when you go through the phone selection process. Add-on's, accessories and extras are also fully detailed. www.vodaphone.co.uk (Click on the 3G banner)
The 'Hero' tarriffs are exclusive to Vodafone retail stores at the moment but full details of those can be found HERE (http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=10611)
encoderX
13-11-2004, 02:09 PM
To update readers I understand you have to choose a phone first then you can see pricing information.
Kind regards.
Maybe you should delete the misleading post then now that you understand how their site actually works!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 02:20 PM
No need as the orignal post is still valid.
The prices are still hidden behind choosing a phone first - strange carry-on...
The pricing isn't on the front page (like 3) and I wanted to see prices first before choosing a phone.
Happy posting!
Nor are any of their other tarriffs..... nor are other companies!
Its a question of style and site design - nothing more!
The actual prices folks will pay are completley different from those detailed by networks anyway because of dealer offers etc.....
What a lot of childish nonsense!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 02:36 PM
You call me me childish but you saw fit to post (this) a new thread in defence of the Voda hiding 3G prices! (http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=10721) thread - you could just reply in the thread I started asking where the prices are clearly stated for Voda 3G prices. Oops sorry you have - No need for this thread then?
Better that folks see for themselves how silly the other was in the first place - this highlights that perfectly.
encoderX
13-11-2004, 02:50 PM
What that Voda 3G don't clearly put the price plans on the main Voda 3G page.
Not just my complaint but clearly others have issue with Voda 3G not putting price plans clearly on their front/main 3G page. That's hardly transparent in my opinion.
Transparent to those who are serious about investigating the proposition...... very simple!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 03:04 PM
If your comparing network prices/plans/tariffs (3 and Voda 3G) as I was trying to do I can't see this linked on the Voda 3G main page - like I can with 3.
When I choose a network I want to see the prices of the plans/tariffs first before investigating a phone on the network.
3 3G manage to clearly show their prices and tariffs on the front page along with every other major network provider being able to clearly link their price plans/tariffs (o2, Orange, T-mobile...) - it would appear not Voda 3G without having to hide them behind picking a phone first!
3 sell on price!
Others dont!
Get used to it!
Its not an issue at all! The prices are there for those who want to find them.
Stop posting silly nonsense!
dj1471
13-11-2004, 03:15 PM
I'll admit that it's a rather roundabout way to find the tariff information, but that's not Vodafone trying to hide the details. It's just bad information architecture. No doubt it will be fixed when Vodafone get round to it.
I dont think it is a bad thing at all as it makes you look at the phones and the product beforehand. If you just want to know the price of something without knowing what it does etc that seems rather pointless and Vodafone have obviously taken the view that not all of those who will be browsing their new product will be well versed with the features and benefits. So in a logical sequence they present the product and its features then the price information - absolutley fine and nothing is disguised whatsoever.
All a matter of marketing styles - one network sells 3G features and benefits as the priority the other sells on price. The two are not in competition - as the new network are clearly targetting prospective customers quite differently.
No issue here at all. Just two phone companies trying to address two different market sectors with different approaches, utterly unsurprising really!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 05:15 PM
Yes I understand what your saying it certainly is a matter of marketing style.
3 have their site linked with phones and prices/tariffs seperate so you can have any phone on any price/tariff - I find that easier where both are linked so I can ckeck them both out.
3 have very nice content also. I'll have to try Voda 3G one day. I did try but the Voda 3G coverage map is highly inaccurate. I know it's only a guide but they say I have good coverage for miles upon miles around my area but I've checked and I certainly don't have ANY coverage for miles upon miles around here.
Too many disappointing things have happened by Voda 3G for my liking - I'll stick with 3 it's easier.
Thank you for you help/advice - greatly appreciated.
Talk about closed minds.... at least I have a 3 handset - use it and am able to comment from personal experience.
There is nothing dissapointing about Vodafone's 3G for the majority of those really interested in a new mobile.... it is cutting edge stuff with more facilities than 3 allbeit at a higher price but one expects to get what one pays for.
encoderX
13-11-2004, 06:59 PM
I'd expect better to be honest with you. You pay alot more for your phone on Voda 3G, the prices/tariffs are confusing, the Voda 3G coverage checker is highly inaccurate and to ad insult to injury Voda 3G charge you upwards of £2.50 per MB for simply browsing the internet with your mobile - the same as the old GSM customers that don't have internet browsing in full colour/sound glory - Voda 3G either deliberately forgot to adjust this OR really knew and are waiting to make a killing from customers unknowing mistakes.
Still you have open access I suppose - if you can afford the £2.50 per MB with Voda 3G and find a Voda 3G signal - I understand Voda 3G are next to last in terms of 3G coverage by population.
Vodafone prices may be confusing for those with learning difficulties, similarly navigating to them may also be a challange for those who only read front pages!
There is little point in continuing this thread it is a silly attempt to pour unsubstantiated negative comments on a service that only launched 2 days ago. The level of interest in that service elsewhere by experienced 3G users seems to suggest it has many attractions and we have yet to see any 'real' negative feedback from users who have it.
Vodafone 3G has launched - it's not a pocket money service aimed at children - live with it!
15698
13-11-2004, 08:17 PM
Strong words 3gsu...
It is strange that vodafone decided to advertise the tariffs in that way, however I dont think they were trying to fool anyone. I have to admit that a little tweak would do
After all web usability is science
Perhaps, but appreciate that it's no use knowing the price if you dont know what it relates to.
That is why they have done it that way. Nothing suspicious whatsoever.
(Remember that its kids here that have bought cheap 3 handsets that are trying to make something of this. Hardly surprising, but they have no real understanding of the differing marketing strategies - they just see something they cant get Vs a cheap thing they can have really).
Geoneil
13-11-2004, 09:19 PM
Yes I understand what your saying it certainly is a matter of marketing style.
So why are you going on and on and on and on and on and on about it? Having a different marketing style does not make you dishonest
3 have their site linked with phones and prices/tariffs seperate so you can have any phone on any price/tariff - I find that easier where both are linked so I can ckeck them both out.
The information on 3's site is also out of date. 3's tariffs is one of 3's major selling points, that's always been the case, it makes sense that 3 should make a big deal of announcing those tariffs. That isn't the case with Vodafone, for Vodafone, 3G is all about the "great service from that company you all know and love with knobs on"
3 have very nice content also. I'll have to try Voda 3G one day.
You mean you haven't? Then how can you say that 3 have "superior content" when you have no experience of what Vodafone are offering?
I did try but the Voda 3G coverage map is highly inaccurate. I know it's only a guide but they say I have good coverage for miles upon miles around my area but I've checked and I certainly don't have ANY coverage for miles upon miles around here.
Vodafone's coverage map is no more accurate than 3's and the inaccuracy of the coverage map is something else you refuse to shut up about, once again, they aren't 3, they deserve a shoeing. Vodafone's coverage map announces patchy coverage out in Prudhoe, Northumberland (I sincerely doubt it, but it's another reason for me to give it a try) 3 have no coverage provided or promised on their coverage map. Honesty on the part of 3? I don't know, I'm not on Vodafone so I can't comment.
Too many disappointing things have happened by Voda 3G for my liking - I'll stick with 3 it's easier.
A lot of disappointing things have happenned by 3 but I'm still with them (even if it is just PAYG, where Vodafone charge £7.50 per Mb to surf the internet)
the prices/tariffs are confusing,
No more confusing that any other tariff offered by any other network on any contract. 3pay is more confusing than ANY of the other PAYG options.
ad insult to injury Voda 3G charge you upwards of £2.50 per MB for simply browsing the internet with your mobile
Why do you continue to yap about the price of a service that 3 don't even offer? At least Vodafone give you that option! It's incredibly expensive, but it's there! Nobody knows how much 3 would charge for this and the only way to speculate would be to look at 3's operations where open access is available and compare them with other operators. When you do that, you might be able to comment, but bear in mind that it would still be speculation
If you want to compare access prices...
Cost to browse 3's textual content = free
Cost to browse the Vodafone Live! pages (not external sites) = free
See? Vodafone aren't ripping anyone off at all!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 09:45 PM
Ha! I knew you wouldn't be far off if 3GSU had posted replies.
I know 3 have superior content because I've tried them - I am a 3 user.
I know that Voda 3G charge upwards of £2.50 per MB for browsing the internet on the mobile phones that is a FACT. What 3 would charge isn't even an issue because one they don't have this and for another I am posting about Vodafone charges - so try to stay on topic.
I did glance past your post/reply but it was so fragmented I can't be troubled to question your silly cutting up of posts/replies so I'll not attempt to try it.
Now move along to look where else 3GSU is posting - don't loose him now...
Geoneil
13-11-2004, 10:05 PM
Ha! I knew you wouldn't be far off if 3GSU had posted replies.
I know 3 have superior content because I've tried them - I am a 3 user.
I am a 3 user too and you were discussing 3's superior content in a thread discussing Vodafone, superior means "of a higher quality" to say that 3 have superior content (as opposed to "3 have excellent content") is to specifically say that 3's content is better than Vodafone's content, which you haven't used (or have you, in the same post you said you both had and had not tried the Vodafone 3G service)
I know that Voda 3G charge upwards of £2.50 per MB for browsing the internet on the mobile phones that is a FACT. What 3 would charge isn't even an issue because one they don't have this and for another I am posting about Vodafone charges - so try to stay on topic.
But how can you complain about the charges Vodafone levy for a service that 3 don't even offer? We already know that you don't surf the internet through your handset because you can't. Or are you trying to imply that surfing Voadfone Live! is charged at £2.35/Mb? If 3 offer open access at a cheaper rate than Vodafone, then you can whinge about Vodafone's prices, until then there's nothing you can say as there's nothing you can compare it to.
I did glance past your post/reply but it was so fragmented I can't be troubled to question your silly cutting up of posts/replies so I'll not attempt to try it.
You don't have the cranial capacity to follow a post when it's interspersed with the quotes I'm repsonding to?
Happy flaming!
encoderX
13-11-2004, 10:29 PM
My Lord another one of your cut to shred posts!
I'll skip this one also.
I certainly can post about Voda 3G prices because I have done silly. I know Voda 3G charge customers upwards of £2.50 per MB if they browse from the handset. Mainly because Voda want to make a killing at customers mistakes and also Voda don't appreciate customers enough to drop the price as it is they are hoping going to be a lucrative mistake by customers to make them a small fortune.
£2.50 per MB for browsing off Voda 3G live! - that's not cheap by anyones standards.
Yep you'd know all about flaming - I suggest forum viewers look around the various forum sections eg: 3 3G forum and have a read-up on geoneil and his un-biased replies.
I certainly don't have the cranial capacity to follow pointless drone posts like yours - I certainly can't be bothered.
Have you found 3GSU yet or are you lost - use the whos online at the main page to locate him...
£2.50 per MB for browsing off Voda 3G live! - Rubbish - there are cheaper options - the 'Hero' tarrifs have incusive browsing content. The £2.50/MB is the most anyone will pay and is the top-end tarriff for minor users.
Vodafone currently offer the cheapest 1GB tarriff at £80/month. No other mobile data tarriff comes close.
Geoneil
13-11-2004, 10:51 PM
£2.50 per MB for browsing off Voda 3G live! - that's not cheap by anyones standards.
I never said it was and (in large text for the hard of understanding)
it's a service that is not offered by 3
3GSU - the price is £7.50/Mb on PAYT, the actual price (certainly on the lower priced tariffs) is £2.35/Mb and the 1GB tariff at £80/month is on their datacard, not their handsets.
The £2.35/Mb rate applies to any out of tariff, external (that's the sort that 3 don'tlet you do, remember?) browsing.
Absolutey, 3 dont have anything in comparison - so whining about this stuff is pointless nonsense.
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 09:41 PM
it is cutting edge stuff with more facilities than 3 allbeit at a higher price but one expects to get what one pays for.
I have used both 3 & Voda 3G - Tell me what the extra facilities are that you get with Voda 3G over 3?
1) open internet access
what else?
oh and 3GSU...please feel free to read my review i posted of the Voda 3G service im sure you'll be interested in some negative feedback on the "can do no wrong" vodafone
I have read it and seeing as you have posted a deliberate gaode then I suspect it is absolute tripe - I have read all of your previous contributions and all of them were pro-3 and before you stated you bought a Vodafone handset you had negative comments about the service.
Your review does not appear to be open minded at all and you attitude in posting the above underlines that.
18736
15-11-2004, 09:56 PM
I have read it and seeing as you have posted a deliberate gaode then I suspect it is absolute tripe - I have read all of your previous contributions and all of them were pro-3 and before you stated you bought a Vodafone handset you had negative comments about the service.
Your review does not appear to be open minded at all and you attitude in posting the above underlines that.
LOL
POT
KETTLE
He's an ex-3 employee who said "i didnt say i intended on becoming a vodafone customer when i took out the trial"
Hmmmm...
Nuff said!
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 10:07 PM
Your review does not appear to be open minded at all and you attitude in posting the above underlines that.
when i took out the contract i did so with an open mind - you have an opinion and frankly i dont care what you think.
Granted and i have no shame in admitting that i have stuck up for 3 in the past but to counter your argument i have to ask why you have posted so many negative comments about the 3 network but have taken out numerous contracts with them when you feel you dont like them?
with regards to my post above i was simply picking up on a comment you made earlier with regards to vodafone offering more services than 3 when from my own actual EXPERIENCE of USING BOTH Networks the only difference i can find is that voda offers open internet access but at a vastly inflated price.....when you claim that vodafone 3G offers more services than 3 yet YOU HAVENT actually USED the service.
until such time as you have actually used both service concurrently then your opinions have little worth or validity and are nothing but poisonous lies and scaremoungering by a bitter twisted little man with nothing better to do with his time than sit at a PC all day long writing worthless comments
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 10:11 PM
He's an ex-3 employee who said "i didnt say i intended on becoming a vodafone customer when i took out the trial"
Hmmmm...
Nuff said!
You seem to have forgotten a bit more of that line there...to save you the hassle i'll complete it....
"as i clearly stated i took the phone out on a trial basis - i didnt say i intended on becoming a vodafone customer when i took out the trial but had i been impressed i might have kept it on i have a 3 contract that is up in december"
Again you try to make me out to be a liar
Yes i am an EX -3 employee - emphasis on the EX
why would i stick up for an ex employer when i reap no benefit?
Well I might well do - but I shall be setting your review aside as one which is both biased and incoherant in terms of the experience you detailed about the two handsets you described. Added to that is the timescale and the fact that (as an ex-3 employee) you should know that backlighting and games playing severely reduces battery life on a phone and if you dont have that level of understanding then I have to question whether you actually know much about what you have attempted to review.
I suspect you'll stay with your cheap 3 handset and take out a new contarct and live with it - warts and all!
encoderX
15-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Absolutey, 3 dont have anything in comparison - so whining about this stuff is pointless nonsense.
OK it's not offered by 3 but does that alter the fact.
I recall you harping on about NO open access on 3 in the 3 forum and raved about Voda having no walled garden.
So why you not raving the Voda charges here - post some for everyone to see!
BTW have a look at o2 in comparison. o2 charge 30p per MB and £2.50 to PAYG customers as I understand it - so does that mean Voda 3G customers are paying PAYG prices in comparison to o2.
Please correct where applicable.
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Well I might well do - but I shall be setting your review aside as one which is both biased and incoherant in terms of the experience you detailed about the two handsets you described. Added to that is the timescale and the fact that (as an ex-3 employee) you should know that backlighting and games playing severely reduces battery life on a phone and if you dont have that level of understanding then I have to question whether you actually know much about what you have attempted to review.
I suspect you'll stay with your cheap 3 handset and take out a new contarct and live with it - warts and all!
incoherant?.....explain whats incoherant about it?
i used the handset in the same way as any normal user would - they dont switch off the backlight & i sincerely doubt that playing a game for 10 mins kills a battery when its charged for 8 hours
Get a grip
Oh so it 10 minutes now - it was 30 before!
You ignored the advice in the manual - is that Vodafone/SonyEricsson's fault?
You had one phone with a 1 bar signal in your area then the next got a 3 bar signal?
All very coherant!
This is depressing responding to such silly stuff!
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 11:25 PM
Oh so it 10 minutes now - it was 30 before!
I suggest you read my review again.....i said i played a game for 10 mins and got an overall usage of 30 mins before i got an alert telling me the battery was low
You ignored the advice in the manual - is that Vodafone/SonyEricsson's fault?
There is nothing in any manual that says you should charge the phone for a specified time - it just suggests full charging and powering down a few times to allow it to run into a power cycle
also i said that i charged the 2nd phone for 9 hours....surely for 9 hours of charging 30 mins of battery life is bad when vodafone give a standby time of how many days? surely 1 video download (totalling 5 mins) 1 outbound call (totalling 2 mins maximum) and 1 inbound call (well 4 inbound since i got 3 dropped calls with the inbound) (totalling 5 mins in total with gaps for the drops) and 10 mins of playing a game and then the battery low alert appearing isnt a my fault.
You had one phone with a 1 bar signal in your area then the next got a 3 bar signal?
Again you should re-read the review....you'll see i said when i switched it on at home i got 1 bar then i moved over to the window and got 3 bars
All very coherant!
Yes i think you'll find it is very coherant once you actually read things properly
This is depressing responding to such silly stuff!
yes your comments are silly 3GSU...when you actually read things fully and take things on board you dont make silly mistakes and go onto write silly comments like you just did and have had me prove you wrong
18736
15-11-2004, 11:27 PM
Well done Jiminy, you sussed him!
It has taken a while for others to suss him out, but they are doing, now.
Thank God!
Indeed - lots of detail provided about Video-calling, voice calls, texting and user interface, MMS.... NOT!
I suspect the above person just got the thing to play with for a short period and reading the review can find nothing within it to interest anyone who needs a mobile phone really.
Perhaps useful as a mobile gaming device review though.
JiminyCricket
15-11-2004, 11:46 PM
Indeed - lots of detail provided about Video-calling, voice calls, texting and user interface, MMS.... NOT!
I suspect the above person just got the thing to play with for a short period and reading the review can find nothing within it to interest anyone who needs a mobile phone really.
Perhaps useful as a mobile gaming device review though.
Again.....3GSU had you paid attention to the review i did actually test the voice service and suffered 3 dropped calls on an inbound call
I also mentioned user interface....its one of the first lines of the review
"Usability : Standard SE layout, cant go wrong "
I didnt see the point in testing SMS & MMS because those are standard 2G services
I didnt see the point in waiting hours on end charging the phone just to make a video call.....if it only lasted 30 mins with a couple of calls, a download and 10 mins of playing a game i doubt if id have gotten much from a video call and would have frankly been a waste of my time.
3GSU you are fast running out of things to pick at...if you had any questions about my review you could have asked them in a normal manner instead of making personal attacks
I'm sorry I just dont believe you!
48 hours just is'nt long enough to gauge any communications product and some of the very important issues have been left unanswered by your review. I'm sure you are being honest (as a self exposed ex-3 employeee would) but playing games and draining the battery etc (30 mins) is hardly typical of normal usage.
As stated before, ta for the effort but I''ll await further feedback... happy trailling the Orange service (keep it a bit longer and report back with something more comprehensive next time).
encoderX
16-11-2004, 09:55 AM
It's a well known fact that first impressions mean everything.
It's quite common of new customers with mobiles to start using their phones before they are fully charged. Despite being advised otherwise by the instructions booklet.
It's also folly and bad business practice to ignore the first impressions of customers feedback hence why Voda 3G give new customers courtesy return calls.
Happy posting!