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Killahurts
01-11-2004, 11:02 PM
This is a few months old now but surprisingly the usually conscientious posters of info about mobile companies failed to post this example of Voda and O2 being found to overcharged customers again.

This time the European Commission stepped in...

Anyone have an update on it?

Vodaphone, O2 accused of more overcharging
Monday, July 26 2004
by Deirdre McArdle
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The European Commission has accused Vodafone and O2 of overcharging overseas operators for roaming services.

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Vodafone and O2, two of the largest UK-based Mobile Network Operators (MNOs), have been sent "statements of objections" by the European Commission in relation to the wholesale rates they have been charging other MNOs for international roaming services.



MNOs from outside the UK need to apply to Vodafone and O2 to use their roaming services in order to enable their subscribers to make and receive mobile calls while they are in the UK. In a statement, the Commission said that the high wholesale prices being charged by Vodafone and O2 to other MNOs directly relates to the high retail roaming prices that consumers have to pay. This overcharging has created huge discrepancies between domestic call prices and the prices of calls made while abroad.



"Europeans are travelling more and more each year and mobile subscribers are using their phones abroad as frequently as they do in their own home country," commented Mario Monti, competition commissioner, the European Commission. "But the high level of the international roaming prices has made this very expensive. This high level also contrasts sharply with the much lower tariffs applied for domestic calls. I hope that our action today makes a contribution to rectifying this state of affairs."



The Commission found that Vodafone and O2 have used their dominant positions in the UK to their advantage. It notes that Vodafone has been involved in the practice of overcharging for roaming services at wholesale level since 1997 through to September 2003 and that O2 was involved in the same practice since 1998 through to September 2003. The EC has deemed the overcharging to be "unfair and excessive."



The statement of objections issued by the European Commission establishes its position on Vodafone's and O2's violation of the competition rules. Both Vodafone and O2 now have an opportunity to respond to the Commission's preliminary findings in writing and in an oral hearing. O2 has denied that it has acted anti-competitively and has said that it will review the Commission's decision and respond accordingly. Vodafone has said it is too early for it to comment on the decision.



Meanwhile, in Ireland earlier this month, ComReg announced that it had found that O2 and Vodafone had been overcharging customers for overseas calls since February 2004. In June, O2 admitted that 65,000 of its customers were overcharged for overseas calls, but the subsequent investigation ordered by ComReg revealed that a further 71,000 customers also had been charged more than they owed. The mistake is set to cost O2 almost EUR722,000 in repayments to customers. For its part, Vodafone will be forced to repay EUR147,739 to customers.

A1c
01-11-2004, 11:05 PM
What has this nonsense to do with 3G in the UK?

This post should be on a general telecoms website. It has no relevance in terms of either of these company's 3G products or services (neither of which exist yet).

Killahurts
01-11-2004, 11:18 PM
Back to the subject of the thread - does anyone have an update please?

Seeing as this position will not change even when they launch their 3g services it is totally relevent

This is an O2 charging issue be it 3g or 2g...

A1c
01-11-2004, 11:26 PM
If/When they announce 3G charges it might be an issue - but that wont be until 2005 at the earliest.

This thread is another mischief making attempt to divert attention from real 3G issues.

Killahurts
01-11-2004, 11:32 PM
This is a 3g issue for as you mentioned in another thread OFCOM have no powers to regulate 3g charges - so are 02 likely to change this policy for 3g services. Hardly! If anything they are likely to con even more people.

Until you post any announcements saying that 02 will reverse this policy when 3g kicks in for them - like you say very very late in the game - this latest con stands.

Now stop polluting the thread and let people answer my original question.

A1c
01-11-2004, 11:36 PM
So what you are saying is utter speulation. Nothing to do with 3G. Old news about GSM termination charges disussed at length ages ago.

What a waste of a keyboard!

Killahurts
01-11-2004, 11:42 PM
Quick recap - my post is the current position

Yours is the claim this wont be the case when they launch 3g voice calls

Although if you read the post you would see this will have very little effect on the people they are conning in this case

Until you prove this policy wont continue - and you havent so far - you are the one speculating.

Simple.

A1c
01-11-2004, 11:44 PM
Utterly off topic - nothing whatsoever to do with 3G services!

This thread is an utter waste of time on a 3G forum.

Killahurts
01-11-2004, 11:47 PM
Usual rubbish from the usual poster who has a history of condoning overcharging from the rip off merchants

A1c
01-11-2004, 11:48 PM
Utterly childish taunt...... unworthy of any further response.

Last I'll be bothering with this tripe!